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ΛΥΣΗ ΜΟΝΟΔΡΟΜΟΣ
Πρωθυπουργός, ο Μητσοτάκης
στο Αμυνας, ο Λάκης* !
ΟΙκονομίας, ο Γιωργάκης
στο Εσωτερικών, ο Μάκης** !
* Ο δικός μας
** Ο 30φυλό
Πρωθυπουργός, ο Μητσοτάκης
στο Αμυνας, ο Λάκης* !
ΟΙκονομίας, ο Γιωργάκης
στο Εσωτερικών, ο Μάκης** !
* Ο δικός μας
** Ο 30φυλό
ΣΕ ΚΑΛΩΣΟΡΙΖΩ ΣΤΗΝ ΧΩΡΑ ΠΟΥ ΟΠΟΙΟΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΝΕΞΑΡΤΗΤΟΣ ΔΕΝ ΕΧΕΙ ΚΑΝΕΝΑ ΔΙΚΑΙΩΜΑ ΣΥΜΦΩΝΩ ΑΠΟΛΥΤΑ ΜΕ ΤΗ ΣΚΕΨΗ ΣΟΥ.
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προσωπικά εχω εμπιστοσύνη στον κινέζο.Ετοιμαστειτε τωρα να φατε στη μαπα τον Κινεζο, αυτον που μεθοδευσε τα παντα για να φτασουμε ως εδω, για να σας "οδηγησει με ασφαλεια στην αγκαλια της ΕΕ"...απο το πουθενα πρωθυπουργος "για το καλο σας"
ετοιμαστειτε να δειτε τον Αδωνι Υπ.ΠΡΟΠΟ για να φροντισει οτι δεν θα πειτε κιχ στο "σωσιμο" που θα σας κανουν
ετοιμαστειτε να συνεχισετε να βλεπετε τον Μπενυ Υπ.Οικ γιατι αυτος ξερει πως θα σας γαμαει με μαεστρια
και ελατε απο Ιανουαριο να τα ξαναπουμε , αν εχετε λεφτα να πληρωνετε τη συνδεση του ιντερνετ μεχρι τοτε...
αλλααααααααααααααααα θα εχουμε ευρω!!!
ο κινέζος δεν πολύτισε, μας απάλλαξε απ τη μιμή και τη μούμια του αντρέας εκσυγχρόνισε το πασοκ και τη χώρα ανεξαρτήτως σκανδάλων.
επίσης η ατζέντα του είναι καθαρά πολιτική οικονομική, δεν είναι κωλοτούμπας και έχει το θάρρος τηε γνώμης του.
είπε ευχαριστώ στ αμαερικάνια όταν ήξερε ότι όλοι τον γιούχαραν
ειπε στ απασόκια ή μου δίνετε δαχτυλίδι ή πάμε σε εκλογές.
μάγκας και χωρίς να έχει κάνει προσωπική περιουσία όπως κάτι μουνιά με 20 σπίτια.
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sex and the city
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Τσάμπα ανοίχτηκε το τοπικ τσάμπα και οι 174 σελίδες. Δημοψήφισμα δεν πρόκειται να γίνει και η Ελλάδα θα συνεχίσει στο ευρώ. Τώρα είναι αργά για δάκρυα Στέλλα...
Σε έβαλε με ψεύτικα στοιχεία ο Σημίτης στο ευρώ ενώ δεν θα έπρεπε να είχες μπει καν. Έζησες με ψέματα και με φούσκες 10 πολύ ωραία χρόνια σαν ευρωπαίος και αύξησες τον πλούτο σου με τα ψέματα. Τώρα θα ζήσεις άλλα 10 χρόνια όπως έπρεπε να ζούσες χωρίς ψέματα... και μετά από 10-15 χρόνια και μπορεί και νωρίτερα θα ξανά βγεις κανονικά στις αγορές. Μέχρι τότε...
Wikileaks-Παπανδρέου προς ΗΠΑ: "Νιώθω πολύ κοντά σας, κάντε με μεσολαβητή σας UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 ATHENS 000250
SENSITIVE
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: PREL PGOV ECON OVIP ENRG TU GR
SUBJECT: CODEL DURBIN'S MEETING WITH GREEK OPPOSITION
LEADER PAPANDREOU
REF: ATHENS 207
Summary
-------
ΒΆ1. (SBU) In a wide-ranging discussion February 18, Senator Durbin and main opposition PASOK party president George Papandreou shared views on the global economic crisis, Cyprus, Greek-Turkish relations, Afghanistan, and other issues. They agreed that the international goodwill surrounding the new U.S. administration provided an opportunity to make lasting reforms in the global economy -- including expansion of renewable energy -- and to improve the global image of the U.S. Papandreou stressed the "closeness" he feels with the U.S., the country of his birth, and he argued that the U.S. is "the only power in the world" able to take the lead in promoting our shared democratic values. He added that Greece would be ready to do its part under a future PASOK government. Papandreou expressed admiration for the recently signed U.S. economic stimulus package, and said he wished the EU would consider something similar.
Unfortunately, he said, Germany had taken the lead in holding back the EU's reaction to the economic crisis, based on what Papandreou considered a misguided commitment to fiscal rules that made little sense in a recession. Noting his role as current head of the Socialist International, Papandreou explained his work with leaders in the Muslim world and elsewhere to find peaceful ways to resolve disputes and to deal with terrorism. He said he would be open to U.S. ideas if there were ways he could help build connections to confrontational leaders anywhere in the world. End Summary.
"Time to Work Together"
-----------------------
ΒΆ2. (SBU) Papandreou began the meeting with Senator Durbin, Illinois Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias, and the Ambassador by offering congratulations for the election of President Obama and by noting how his own life story was deeply connected with the U.S. (including a year Papandreou spent in high school in Elmhurst, Illinois). Durbin noted the wide range of challenges facing the new administration, including the global economic crisis, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Durbin also shared impressions of his recent visit to Cyprus, including the prospects for progress this year in the negotiations, as well as weaknesses in civil society. Papandreou thanked Durbin for his work in the Senate on Greek-Turkish relations and other issues of importance to Greece. Papandreou said that now is the time for us to work together, and he endorsed what he called President Obama's "message to world" to solve our common problems. Papandreou said that although Greece is a "smaller country," it can contribute to stability in surrounding regions, and he noted in particular Greece's historic relationships with the Muslim world.
ΒΆ3. (SBU) Durbin noted the importance of President Obama's first Executive Order on Guantanamo, torture, and ensuring humane standards for rendition, and Papandreou expressed strong support, adding that he had publicly used the President's statement about security and freedom not being mutually exclusive. He agreed that there is currently an opportunity for the U.S. to create a different image around the world, observing that in the past it was easy for groups opposed to our shared democratic values to point to torture as a way to discredit the U.S. Papandreou said that while the U.S. could not "dictate solutions," it was the "only power in the world that can lead" in promoting our values.
Papandreou said we would have his support in this effort.
Seeking a Large EU Stimulus
---------------------------
ΒΆ4. (SBU) Papandreou said that early parliamentary elections were a real possibility in Greece, and he noted that opinion polls showed PASOK would likely win. He stressed that the current government had been weakened by internal and external crises, and Greece needed a new government that would have the credibility with society to make difficult decisions and to mobilize people. Telling the delegation "we can work with you," Papandreou noted that his top priority in government would be the same as President Obama's: dealing with the economic situation. Papandreou said it would be in the interest of both Greece and the U.S. to push the EU to consider a larger stimulus package on the model of the U.S. stimulus. He said the EU should do its part to encourage investment for the good of the global economy. Papandreou lamented that the EU's cumbersome rules and the opposition of key members -- especially an overly inflation-phobic Germany -- had constrained the EU response to the crisis. He called for the EU to relax its "master criteria" that require member states to run no more than a 3 percent budget deficit, arguing that these rules made no sense in a recession. He also expressed support for ending disparities in interest rates for loans within the euro zone.
ATHENS 00000250 002 OF 002
ΒΆ5. (SBU) Durbin noted that energy independence was a key goal of the U.S. stimulus, and that the package's investment in renewable energy had resonated with the U.S. public.
Papandreou agreed, noting it would be possible "to power Greece only with wind." He expressed support for new windmills based on traditional Greek designs, so that tourist areas would embrace them as part of the Greek "brand" rather than opposing them as an eyesore. He added that Greece had the potential to do more with solar, water, and geothermal power. Papandreou also agreed with the Ambassador's suggestion that Greece look at developing its communication infrastructure, noting the economic benefits of expanding broadband access.
ΒΆ6. (SBU) Asked by Durbin for his views on trade, Papandreou emphasized that he was not a protectionist, but instead took the social democratic view that markets should be open but governed by rules to encourage development. He said he would like to see an organization like the IMF that would do more to put clear, strict international rules on financial development, "geared toward where we want to move the planet," including greater use of renewable energy. He expressed support for "incentives for free competition" in the WTO that would over time improve the poor conditions that workers currently face in many poor countries. Papandreou said both the U.S. and EU should be more open for trade in agriculture. He noted that Greece could do well as a niche producer of high-quality agricultural goods in a more competitive market.
ΒΆ7. (SBU) Giannoulias asked about the alarming growth in Greece's public debt, and Papandreou agreed it was a problem, unlike private debt and toxic assets, two problems Greece had largely managed to avoid. Papandreou said Greece lacked of competitiveness, and this could be dealt with through modernization, including moving toward a green economy. He noted that Greece was made more vulnerable to the global financial crisis because its banks had invested heavily in the Balkans. He peppered the delegation with questions about how the U.S. was responding to the current economic challenges in the areas of real estate, unemployment, and public transportation. Durbin and Giannoulias noted the importance of infrastructure investment as part of the U.S. stimulus.
Papandreou's International Outreach
-----------------------------------
ΒΆ8. (SBU) Papandreou said his position as leader of the Socialist International had given him access to a wide range of leftist parties around the world, some in power and some not. Noting that he had helped eastern European communist parties to democratize after the fall of the Berlin Wall, Papandreou said he would be willing to reach out to confrontational leaders in Latin America or elsewhere in the world if the U.S. thought he could be of use in building connections. Papandreou noted that the Socialist International had brought together Palestinian and Israeli parties to discuss peace plans, and that he had discussed with Pakistani President Zardari the idea of setting up a committee to find ways to isolate terrorist groups without relying solely on force. Papandreou added that he had doubts about the wisdom of Zardari's recent cease-fire agreement that permits Sharia law in parts of Pakistan, but he understood that Zardari was in a difficult situation.
Papandreou said he had developed contacts with such countries as Syria and Iran during his tenure as Foreign Minister (1999-2004).
ΒΆ9. (SBU) Turning to Turkey and Cyprus, Papandreou stressed that as Foreign Minister he and his Turkish counterpart, the late Ismail Cem, had launched a new era in bilateral relations, based in part on a significant increase in person-to-person contacts. These started with mutual assistance efforts following earthquakes in both countries in 1999 and continued with exchanges in music, soccer, business, and local government. By the initiative's second year, Papandreou said, there were so many cross-border civil society activities that it was impossible to count them. He said he had promoted similar efforts in Cyprus, including a high-profile case in which a Turkish Cypriot boy with leukemia had been matched with a Greek Cypriot donor. These initiatives stopped after the failed referendum in Cyprus in ΒΆ2004. Papandreou said it would be important to push on initiatives such as these when PASOK is back in power. If the leadership empowers people to establish contacts, he said, those contacts will happen.
ΒΆ10. (U) CODEL Durbin departed post prior to clearing this cable.
SPECKHARD
SENSITIVE
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: PREL PGOV ECON OVIP ENRG TU GR
SUBJECT: CODEL DURBIN'S MEETING WITH GREEK OPPOSITION
LEADER PAPANDREOU
REF: ATHENS 207
Summary
-------
ΒΆ1. (SBU) In a wide-ranging discussion February 18, Senator Durbin and main opposition PASOK party president George Papandreou shared views on the global economic crisis, Cyprus, Greek-Turkish relations, Afghanistan, and other issues. They agreed that the international goodwill surrounding the new U.S. administration provided an opportunity to make lasting reforms in the global economy -- including expansion of renewable energy -- and to improve the global image of the U.S. Papandreou stressed the "closeness" he feels with the U.S., the country of his birth, and he argued that the U.S. is "the only power in the world" able to take the lead in promoting our shared democratic values. He added that Greece would be ready to do its part under a future PASOK government. Papandreou expressed admiration for the recently signed U.S. economic stimulus package, and said he wished the EU would consider something similar.
Unfortunately, he said, Germany had taken the lead in holding back the EU's reaction to the economic crisis, based on what Papandreou considered a misguided commitment to fiscal rules that made little sense in a recession. Noting his role as current head of the Socialist International, Papandreou explained his work with leaders in the Muslim world and elsewhere to find peaceful ways to resolve disputes and to deal with terrorism. He said he would be open to U.S. ideas if there were ways he could help build connections to confrontational leaders anywhere in the world. End Summary.
"Time to Work Together"
-----------------------
ΒΆ2. (SBU) Papandreou began the meeting with Senator Durbin, Illinois Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias, and the Ambassador by offering congratulations for the election of President Obama and by noting how his own life story was deeply connected with the U.S. (including a year Papandreou spent in high school in Elmhurst, Illinois). Durbin noted the wide range of challenges facing the new administration, including the global economic crisis, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Durbin also shared impressions of his recent visit to Cyprus, including the prospects for progress this year in the negotiations, as well as weaknesses in civil society. Papandreou thanked Durbin for his work in the Senate on Greek-Turkish relations and other issues of importance to Greece. Papandreou said that now is the time for us to work together, and he endorsed what he called President Obama's "message to world" to solve our common problems. Papandreou said that although Greece is a "smaller country," it can contribute to stability in surrounding regions, and he noted in particular Greece's historic relationships with the Muslim world.
ΒΆ3. (SBU) Durbin noted the importance of President Obama's first Executive Order on Guantanamo, torture, and ensuring humane standards for rendition, and Papandreou expressed strong support, adding that he had publicly used the President's statement about security and freedom not being mutually exclusive. He agreed that there is currently an opportunity for the U.S. to create a different image around the world, observing that in the past it was easy for groups opposed to our shared democratic values to point to torture as a way to discredit the U.S. Papandreou said that while the U.S. could not "dictate solutions," it was the "only power in the world that can lead" in promoting our values.
Papandreou said we would have his support in this effort.
Seeking a Large EU Stimulus
---------------------------
ΒΆ4. (SBU) Papandreou said that early parliamentary elections were a real possibility in Greece, and he noted that opinion polls showed PASOK would likely win. He stressed that the current government had been weakened by internal and external crises, and Greece needed a new government that would have the credibility with society to make difficult decisions and to mobilize people. Telling the delegation "we can work with you," Papandreou noted that his top priority in government would be the same as President Obama's: dealing with the economic situation. Papandreou said it would be in the interest of both Greece and the U.S. to push the EU to consider a larger stimulus package on the model of the U.S. stimulus. He said the EU should do its part to encourage investment for the good of the global economy. Papandreou lamented that the EU's cumbersome rules and the opposition of key members -- especially an overly inflation-phobic Germany -- had constrained the EU response to the crisis. He called for the EU to relax its "master criteria" that require member states to run no more than a 3 percent budget deficit, arguing that these rules made no sense in a recession. He also expressed support for ending disparities in interest rates for loans within the euro zone.
ATHENS 00000250 002 OF 002
ΒΆ5. (SBU) Durbin noted that energy independence was a key goal of the U.S. stimulus, and that the package's investment in renewable energy had resonated with the U.S. public.
Papandreou agreed, noting it would be possible "to power Greece only with wind." He expressed support for new windmills based on traditional Greek designs, so that tourist areas would embrace them as part of the Greek "brand" rather than opposing them as an eyesore. He added that Greece had the potential to do more with solar, water, and geothermal power. Papandreou also agreed with the Ambassador's suggestion that Greece look at developing its communication infrastructure, noting the economic benefits of expanding broadband access.
ΒΆ6. (SBU) Asked by Durbin for his views on trade, Papandreou emphasized that he was not a protectionist, but instead took the social democratic view that markets should be open but governed by rules to encourage development. He said he would like to see an organization like the IMF that would do more to put clear, strict international rules on financial development, "geared toward where we want to move the planet," including greater use of renewable energy. He expressed support for "incentives for free competition" in the WTO that would over time improve the poor conditions that workers currently face in many poor countries. Papandreou said both the U.S. and EU should be more open for trade in agriculture. He noted that Greece could do well as a niche producer of high-quality agricultural goods in a more competitive market.
ΒΆ7. (SBU) Giannoulias asked about the alarming growth in Greece's public debt, and Papandreou agreed it was a problem, unlike private debt and toxic assets, two problems Greece had largely managed to avoid. Papandreou said Greece lacked of competitiveness, and this could be dealt with through modernization, including moving toward a green economy. He noted that Greece was made more vulnerable to the global financial crisis because its banks had invested heavily in the Balkans. He peppered the delegation with questions about how the U.S. was responding to the current economic challenges in the areas of real estate, unemployment, and public transportation. Durbin and Giannoulias noted the importance of infrastructure investment as part of the U.S. stimulus.
Papandreou's International Outreach
-----------------------------------
ΒΆ8. (SBU) Papandreou said his position as leader of the Socialist International had given him access to a wide range of leftist parties around the world, some in power and some not. Noting that he had helped eastern European communist parties to democratize after the fall of the Berlin Wall, Papandreou said he would be willing to reach out to confrontational leaders in Latin America or elsewhere in the world if the U.S. thought he could be of use in building connections. Papandreou noted that the Socialist International had brought together Palestinian and Israeli parties to discuss peace plans, and that he had discussed with Pakistani President Zardari the idea of setting up a committee to find ways to isolate terrorist groups without relying solely on force. Papandreou added that he had doubts about the wisdom of Zardari's recent cease-fire agreement that permits Sharia law in parts of Pakistan, but he understood that Zardari was in a difficult situation.
Papandreou said he had developed contacts with such countries as Syria and Iran during his tenure as Foreign Minister (1999-2004).
ΒΆ9. (SBU) Turning to Turkey and Cyprus, Papandreou stressed that as Foreign Minister he and his Turkish counterpart, the late Ismail Cem, had launched a new era in bilateral relations, based in part on a significant increase in person-to-person contacts. These started with mutual assistance efforts following earthquakes in both countries in 1999 and continued with exchanges in music, soccer, business, and local government. By the initiative's second year, Papandreou said, there were so many cross-border civil society activities that it was impossible to count them. He said he had promoted similar efforts in Cyprus, including a high-profile case in which a Turkish Cypriot boy with leukemia had been matched with a Greek Cypriot donor. These initiatives stopped after the failed referendum in Cyprus in ΒΆ2004. Papandreou said it would be important to push on initiatives such as these when PASOK is back in power. If the leadership empowers people to establish contacts, he said, those contacts will happen.
ΒΆ10. (U) CODEL Durbin departed post prior to clearing this cable.
SPECKHARD
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Κυβέρνηση Εθνικής σωτηρίας τώρα με μοναδικό σκοπό την ψήφιση της συμφωνίας της 26ης Οκτωβρίου και στην συνέχεια την ταχύτερη δυνατή διεξαγωγή εκλογών.
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ποιος θα την ψηφισει;
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αντε ακόμη .... πολύ το καθυστερούν
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ΚΑΤΑ ΕΥΡΟΛΙΓΟΥΡΙΔΩΝ
Αμα μας βγάλουν απ το ευρώ
γιατί θα είναι ακριβό
μπορεί να γίνουμε αλήτες,
κλέφτες, πεινάλες ή κοπρίτες.
Δεν θά μαστε όμως δουλικά,
των Φράγκων υποτακτικά !
Δεν θα μας λένε Ευρωπαίους
μα Ελληνες, κακομοιραίους !
Τότε στ΄αρχίδια μας και μας,
τι γνώμη θα χει ο κατσαπλιάς!
Θα τρώμε, βλήτα και μπομπότα,
θά έχουμε τη δική μας ρότα !
Κι αμα τα καταφέρουμε ποτέ,
τότε το κώλο τους κεφτέ,
να ρθούνε, να τους κάνουμε
να ρθουν, να τους τρελλάνουμε !
ΚΙ αμα χαθούμε, στη πορεία,
τότε ας γράψει η ιστορία ,
αλήτες, ανυπότακτοι, αγωνιστές
ζήσαν στης γης, ετούτες τις γωνιές !
Αμα μας βγάλουν απ το ευρώ
γιατί θα είναι ακριβό
μπορεί να γίνουμε αλήτες,
κλέφτες, πεινάλες ή κοπρίτες.
Δεν θά μαστε όμως δουλικά,
των Φράγκων υποτακτικά !
Δεν θα μας λένε Ευρωπαίους
μα Ελληνες, κακομοιραίους !
Τότε στ΄αρχίδια μας και μας,
τι γνώμη θα χει ο κατσαπλιάς!
Θα τρώμε, βλήτα και μπομπότα,
θά έχουμε τη δική μας ρότα !
Κι αμα τα καταφέρουμε ποτέ,
τότε το κώλο τους κεφτέ,
να ρθούνε, να τους κάνουμε
να ρθουν, να τους τρελλάνουμε !
ΚΙ αμα χαθούμε, στη πορεία,
τότε ας γράψει η ιστορία ,
αλήτες, ανυπότακτοι, αγωνιστές
ζήσαν στης γης, ετούτες τις γωνιές !
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Δεν υπάρχει επαναδιαπραγμάτευση ούτε καμία άλλη μπούρδα...Υπάρχουν μόνο δύο επιλογές:
πτώχευση ή λιτότητα για τουλάχιστον 10 χρόνια...
Δηλαδή να το πω απλά είναι σαν να σου λένε θες να σε σκοτώσω τώρα ή θες να σε τραυματίσω και να γίνεις καλά μετά από 10 χρόνια με την ελπίδα ότι θα τα καταφέρεις και θα κάνεις αυτά που σου λέω ώστε μετά να ζήσεις όπως ζούσες πριν...
θέλεις να μπαίνεις στο bourdela.com σαν εκδιδόμενη ή να μην μπαίνεις καθόλου για 10 χρόνια και μετά μία μέρα αν τα καταφέρεις να ξανά μπαίνεις σαν πελάτης....
πτώχευση ή λιτότητα για τουλάχιστον 10 χρόνια...
Δηλαδή να το πω απλά είναι σαν να σου λένε θες να σε σκοτώσω τώρα ή θες να σε τραυματίσω και να γίνεις καλά μετά από 10 χρόνια με την ελπίδα ότι θα τα καταφέρεις και θα κάνεις αυτά που σου λέω ώστε μετά να ζήσεις όπως ζούσες πριν...
θέλεις να μπαίνεις στο bourdela.com σαν εκδιδόμενη ή να μην μπαίνεις καθόλου για 10 χρόνια και μετά μία μέρα αν τα καταφέρεις να ξανά μπαίνεις σαν πελάτης....
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