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Αποφάσισα να ανοίξω και ένα σοβαρό Θέμα, ως άνθρωπος που δεν παίρνει σοβαρά την σημερινή φιλελεύθερη κοινωνία και τα μύρια προβλήματά της αποφάσισα να δείξω ότι η δημοκρατία φταίει για την κατάσταση που ζούμε τώρα δυστυχώς το κείμενο είναι στα Αγγλικά:

Social decayDespite incredible advances in knowledge and technology over the past few decades, living standards have actually declined . [edit Aug 2010: In retrospect this statement was too strong, living standards are certainly higher today. It would be more accurate to say that the rate of increase has fallen.] Taken alone, this makes no sense—comparable advances in the past, such as the industrial revolution, have sparked enormous increases in prosperity. On top of falling living standards, civilization is crumbling: war, poverty, crime, debt, disease, social dysfunction, family breakdown, hedonism, etc. Why are so many things going wrong, despite unparalleled advances in knowledge and technology? This is the great unanswered question of our time.

Hans Hoppe has found the answer. In his outstanding book, Democracy—The God That Failed, he shows that democracy is the cause of these modern ills. This is a very bold claim, given democracy’s current status as a secular religion. But Hoppe’s careful theoretical reasoning is airtight—this is a paradigm-shifting book.
The process of civilization

Detroit skylineTo understand how democracy destroys civilization, we must first understand how civilization comes about. Civilization is the outcome of saving and investment, in other words: capital accumulation. As people save and invest in capital goods (e.g., tools and machines), the production of goods increases—they become wealthier. With more resources at their disposal, saving becomes less costly, and people can invest even more in capital goods. This again results in greater production and a corresponding drop in the cost of saving and investing. This self-reinforcing cycle of capital accumulation is known as the process of civilization.

As Hoppe explains in Chapter 1, people’s time preferences—their degree of present- or future-mindedness—determine the amount of saving and thus the rate of capital accumulation. A high time preference denotes a high premium on the present over the future: the cost of foregoing consumption in favor of saving is higher. Alternately, a low time preference denotes a low premium on the present over the future: the cost of foregoing consumption in favor of saving is lower. To illustrate, a person with a high time preference would engage in activities that pay out in the present (and even at the expense of the future), such as impulse spending, eating junk food, promiscuity, drunkenness, drug abuse, etc. A person with a low time preference would take on activities that pay out in the long term, such as saving and investing, maintaining good health, improving skills or education, developing a good reputation, etc.

The process of civilization is characterized by a fall in the time preference of society. As people become wealthier from the increased production of capital goods, the cost of saving (foregoing consumption) falls—their time preference falls. As this process unfolds, people become ever wealthier and more farsighted.
The decivilization effect of democracy

The existence of government weakens the process of capital accumulation. Under democratic rule, this weakening effect is considerably enhanced. Unless it is stopped, democracy will eventually raise time preferences to the point of capital consumption, and a self-reinforcing process of decivilization will be set in motion—ultimately leading towards the destruction of society.

There are many ways that democracy destroys civilization; the most significant being taxation, war, legislation, and redistribution. These effects are further amplified because public resistance to government is systematically weakened under democracy.
Taxation

Any and all taxation falls directly on producers—taxation is a penalty on production. As a result of taxation, the rate of return on investment is diminished. Saving to invest becomes less lucrative, so people consume more and save less than they otherwise would have. People become more present-minded and the process of civilization is impeded. The amount of taxation determines how significant this effect will be.

CastleIf the government is privately owned (i.e., a monarchy), then this effect will be limited. Since the government is his personal property, a monarch has an interest in both the present tax revenues and the long-term capital value of his kingdom. His incentive is to tax moderately, so as not to diminish the future productivity of his subjects, and hence his future tax revenues. On the other hand, if the government is publicly owned (i.e., a democracy), then this effect will be significantly more prominent. Since elected rulers are only temporary caretakers, not owners, of government property, their time horizons are very short—they’re very present-minded. They have no interest in the long term value of the government. Rather, their incentive is to maximize their own benefits while they are in power. Accordingly, democratic rulers tend to tax (and inflate the currency) as much as politically possible, even if it decreases the productivity of private citizens and hence future tax revenues. But this should come as no surprise, as public government, like all public property, is plagued by the tragedy of the commons.

Consider the analogy of public farming. Imagine a farmer who is given the use of some land to grow crops on, but he doesn’t own the land and only gets to use it for four years. His incentive will be to maximize his benefit over the four year term, without regard for the soil quality after the fourth year. Because he can’t reap the benefits of maintaining good soil quality after his term ends, his incentive is to deplete the soil to squeeze out as much benefit from it as possible before he loses its use—in other words, he engages in capital consumption. The same incentives are at work under public government. Without private property ownership, there can be no long-term economic planning.
War

While all governments can externalize the costs of war, a public government will be much more warlike than a private one. A king personally owns the resources that pay for the war and thus his incentive is to keep warfare limited (war is outrageously expensive) and pursue his foreign policy through peaceful means, such as contractual acquisitions of territory and intermarriage with other ruling families. Democratic rulers have no such interest in saving money—it’s not their money to begin with and they can’t privately pocket the funds if they don’t go to war. Consequently, democracies lack a major deterrent to engaging in warfare.

If you don't come to democracy, democracy will come to you!Democratic warfare is also excessively brutal. Once again, because the rulers have no incentive to save money, war spending is much higher, resulting in larger wars. And because the government is public, the government’s wars are the public’s wars: nationalist fervor sweeps the people and support for the war becomes the unquestioned norm. Wars also become open-ended ideological wars (e.g., “making the world safe for democracy” or the “war on terror”). The entire populace becomes part of the war machine, resulting in total war: domestic tyranny (extreme taxation and regulation), conscription, enormous war expenditures, mass destruction, and mass murder of both militants and civilians.
Legislation

Since the kingdom is the private property of the king, he has a strong incentive to uphold the integrity of private property law (the validity of his ownership of the kingdom depends upon it). The king also has an incentive to uphold economically beneficial law—private property law—to increase value of his kingdom. Democratic rulers have no private ownership stake in the government and thus have no incentive to uphold the integrity of private property law. Nor do they have an incentive to maintain economically beneficial law. On the contrary, they can benefit by creating artificial laws—legislation—that serve to undermine private property law for their own benefit. Under democracy, mountains of legislation erode private property law: property owners become increasingly restricted in what they can do with their property. As private property law is continually weakened, long-term planning becomes more and more uncertain and people become more and more present-minded.
Redistribution

Because of the electoral nature of democracies, special interest politics becomes the name of the game. In order to win an election, politicians must compete for the support of interest groups. The largest and most lucrative interest group (most votes) is the “have-nots”, and politicians can cater to them with wealth redistribution policies. Thus, democracies take on a redistributionist role: the welfare state is born. As basic economic reasoning tells us, if you tax productivity and subsidize non-productivity, you will end up with less producers and more nonproducers. A destructive cycle sets in: as producing becomes less and less lucrative and nonproducing becomes more and more so, welfare spending increases while production and thus taxable income decreases. Thus, welfare policies only exacerbate the problems they intend to cure. They reward present-mindedness and discourage future-mindedness and, if left to run their course, will inevitably lead to a Soviet-style economic collapse.
Public resistance

GuillotineIt’s worth noting that democracy’s tendency towards big government is significantly helped along by its public image. Any government ultimately rests on the consent of the governed, and democracy can more easily secure such consent. By fostering the illusion of self-rule (i.e., “We are the government”, “We are doing it to ourselves”), democracy systematically weakens public resistance to government interventions. Under monarchy, one has no hope of joining the ruling family and benefiting from the state’s activities. Under democracy, however, one has the opportunity to be part of a majority or even to become one of the rulers, and so can potentially benefit from state activities. Thus, monarchical subjects tend to be more resistant to government than citizens of democratic states. This acceptance allows democracies to become much larger and much more interventionist without igniting revolutionary sentiment.
Evidence

The devastation of democracy is clearly evident in the historical record. As Hoppe writes:

    From the perspective of economic theory, the end of World War I can be identified as the point in time at which private-government ownership was completely replaced by public government ownership, and from which a tendency towards rising degrees of social time preference, government growth, and an attending process of decivilization should be expected to have taken off. Indeed, as indicated in detail above, such has been the grand underlying theme of twentieth century Western history. Since 1918, practically all indicators of high or rising time preferences have exhibited a systematic upward tendency: as far as government is concerned, democratic republicanism produced communism (and with this public slavery and government sponsored mass murder even in peacetime), fascism, national socialism, and, lastly and most enduringly, social democracy (“liberalism”). Compulsory military service has become almost universal, foreign and civil wars have increased in frequency and in brutality, and the process of political centralization has advanced further than ever. Internally, democratic republicanism has led to permanently rising taxes, debts, and public employment. It has led to the destruction of the gold standard, unparalleled paper-money inflation, and increased protectionism and migration controls. Even the most fundamental private law provisions have been perverted by an unabated flood of legislation and regulation. Simultaneously, as regards civil society, the institutions of marriage and family have been increasingly weakened, the number of children has declined, and the rates of divorce, illegitimacy, single parenthood, singledom, and abortion have increased. Rather than rising with rising incomes, savings rates have been stagnating or even falling. In comparison to the nineteenth century, the cognitive prowess of the political and intellectual elites and quality of public education have declined. And the rates of crime, structural unemployment, welfare dependency, parasitism, negligence, recklessness, incivility, psychopathy, and hedonism have increased. (pp. 42-43)

Let’s take a closer look at the historical evidence concerning taxation, war, legislation and redistribution under monarchy and democracy (discussed by Hoppe in Chapter 2):
Taxation

    Monarchy: 5-8% of national income; no inflation (commodity money).
    Democracy: Over 50% of national income; plus paper-money inflation. Remarks Hoppe: “Now, year in and year out the American government expropriates more than 40 percent of the incomes of private producers, making even the economic burden imposed on slaves and serfs seem moderate in comparison.” (pp. 243)

War

    Monarchy: Limited wars for settling territorial disputes. Battles fought by hired mercenaries with minimal bloodshed. Civilian life was unaffected by wars.
    Democracy: Total wars fought for ideological goals (“Liberty”, “Democracy”, “fighting terrorism”, etc.) and thus open-ended and grotesquely brutal. Civilian life is heavily disrupted by wars, not only because of domestic burdens (taxation, regulation and conscription), but because civilians are no longer considered “off limits” to combatants.

Legislation

    Monarchy: Kings were considered judges, not legislators. Law was considered fixed and immutable (and the king’s own property rights rested on its validity). Legislation was unheard of.
    Democracy: Rulers rise above the law, they become judges and lawmakers. Vast mountains of legislation regulate virtually every aspect of private life. This is effectively totalitarian power.

Redistribution

    Monarchy: Consumption state—wealth redistributed from subject to sovereign.
    Democracy: Welfare state—wealth redistributed not only from citizen to state, but between citizens. Public welfare spending typically amounts to 25% of the national product.

Ideological progress

Was the change from monarchy to democracy a step backwards? In practical terms, there is no question: democracy has had tremendously bad effects compared to monarchy. But in terms of ideological progress, democracy has been a (confused and pathetic) step towards more justice. While monarchy and democracy are both forms of unjust political rule, monarchy is exclusive rule by accident of birth while democratic rule is open to anyone. Democracy is fairer in the sense that the opportunity to rule is universal, whereas monarchy only allows for arbitrary family rule. In other words, if there must be rulers, then it’s more just that the rulers are selected through open competition than by arbitrary heredity. But this was the fateful error of the classical liberals: to see exclusivity rather than privilege as the problem. They merely replaced personal privileges (of the king) with functional privileges (of the democratic ruler). Of course, the real solution is to remove the privilege of ruling altogether, so that there is no ruler-ruled distinction.

Dead end signTo be sure, when democracy is rejected as illegitimate, we won’t be headed back to monarchy. Democracy will join monarchy as laughable and politically unthinkable. Given the natural human inclination to justice, we will move towards something perceived to be right and just. Anarchy, a society without rulers, is the pinnacle of this progress in political ideology. Once it dawns on the public that democracy is the dead-end sign on the road of statism, we will have a stateless society. Then the process of civilization will take off and humanity will prosper like never before.

The downside is that, until democracy is delegitimized in the public eye, we should expect an accelerating decivilization, and even the ultimate destruction of society through complete economic disintegration. Chances are that it won’t get that far, because the failures of democracy will become ever more apparent and people will eventually be forced to recognize their error if they want to maintain modern living standards. The sooner people realize that democracy is a social death wish, the less devastation we will have to endure. What we need then, is an ideological revolution to make the world safe from democracy! Democracy is insane—it ought to be called democrazy!
Conclusion

While all of this may seem no more than an intellectual curiosity, it has extremely important ramifications for the general public, as well as for minarchists. What better way of delegitimizing democracy than to show people that democracy is the destroyer of civilization and even worse than monarchy? People in democratic countries are deeply indoctrinated with a quasi-religious faith in democracy, so this is an explosive subject, but if used carefully it could ruin democracy forever in many minds. Democracy is the last remaining bastion of statism, and by attacking democracy we strike at the very heart of statism.

As for minarchists, if they are truly interested in limited government, then they must grapple with the fact that public government is prone to cancerous growth and that private government is the only sustainable form of limited government. Since they generally believe that democracy is legitimate while monarchy isn’t, this forces them into an awkward choice: either limited government through private government ownership (i.e., monarchy); or democracy (i.e., constitutional republic) and its inevitable big government. The cognitive dissonance is delicious!

Futuristic skyscraperPerhaps most importantly, Hoppe’s insight is the key to understanding and interpreting the 20th century. We now have the answer to the previously baffling question of why civilization is in decline despite enormous scientific and technological progress. It is public government that causes a vicious cycle of rising time preference, and is responsible for the accelerating destruction of society. It is public government that inexorably pushes mankind from civilization back to the jungle. Practically all social ills can be traced back to the effects of the democratic state, from war and poverty to dysfunctional families and widespread bad health. Happily, we also have the solution to this problem: a market anarchist society based on universal private property rights. Only by abandoning democracy and statism will we be able to reap the enormous increases in prosperity that we should expect from such incredible progress in science and technology.
Further reading

For more on this topic, see Democracy—The God That Failed, especially chapter 1. Chapter 2 contains a highly informative historical analysis of monarchy and democracy.

Προσωπική μου άποψη στη Δημοκρατία το ειδικό συμφέρον του καθενός μεταφράζεται σε κόματα για να μοιάσει γενικό, το κυνήγι και η μάχη των τάξεων τις κάνει όλες ανεξαιρέτως πιο άπληστες με κύριο πρόβλημα την άμεση αύξηση έστω πλασματική όλων για να μπορέσει ο κυβερνών να παραμείνει στην εξουσία , υπερχρε΄λωνοντας τον κρατικό μηχανισμό με ρουσφέτια και μεγάλη γραφειοκρατία , αργούς κρατικο΄ύς μηχανισμούς, τεράστια σπατάλη χρημάτων ως αποτέλεσμα κοντόφθαλμης πολιτικής που οδηγεί τις χώρες και τους λαούς σε μία πλήρη οικονομική κατάρευση αφού τους "πλουτίσει" έστω πλασματικά. Επισίς μέσω ενός πολιτικοκοινωνικού χάους που δημιουργεί δεν βοηθάει το λαό να δει την επικείμενη καταστροφή διασπόντας των σε κόμματα και παρατάξεις διαλύοντας την κοινωνία, τέλος με τον φιλελευθερισμό καταργήται οτιδήποτε συγκρατεί τον άνθρωπο από το να εμποδίζει τον εαυτό του να κάνει κακές ή και ηλίθιες πράξεις, βάζοντας τον να διαλύσει όλο και παραπάνω κοινωνικούς κανόνες περαιτέρω αποδυναμόνοντας την κοινωνία και τους δεσμούς της. αφήνω την συζήτηση και τα συμπεράσμα τα σε εσάς.

Θερμή παράκληση μην πηδήξετε το θέμα , ευχαριστώ.
 

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τυπε ειναι πραγματικα τεραστιο :o
 

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μεγαλε την παλευεις?
αυτα που γραφεις "sounds greek to me!"
εγω λεω να τα γραψεις στα τουρκικα, να σβηστει μια ωρα αρχιτερα
 

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μεγαλε την παλευεις?
αυτα που γραφεις "sounds greek to me!"
εγω λεω να τα γραψεις στα τουρκικα, να σβηστει μια ωρα αρχιτερα
ρε τυπε μην του πηδας το θεμα
ειναι σοβαρο  οπως ειπε στην αρχη :grin:
 

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ρε τυπε μην του πηδας το θεμα
ειναι σοβαρο  οπως ειπε στην αρχη :grin:
α συγνωμη, νομιζα οτι για 864132189543516842316584 φορα αναφερθηκε στη δημοκρατια και τη μοναρχια. Κ επειδη, ηδη, εχουμε αλλα 897465056149814321891321981 θεματα που αναφερονται αυτες οι δυο λεξεις, φανταστηκα, ο αδαης, πως θα ητο πλεονεξια.
Παρακαλω, οπως δεχθειτε την εκ βαθεων ειλικρινη μετανοια μου..
 

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Ποια "Δημοκρατία " ? Ψευτο-δημοκρατια υπάρχει στις "δημοκρατικές " χωρες .

Ανεπίσημη φεουδαρχία ειναι ,που οι φεουδάρχες ειναι μια κάστα από άτομα που έχουν μεγάλη κοινωνική δύναμη , όπως ιδιοκτήτες ΜΜΕ , εργοστασιάρχες και γενικά
πλουτοκράτες ,"αρχηγοί " της επικρατούσας θρησκείας , κτλ .

Οι πολιτικοί είναι αχυράνθρωποι αυτών που έχουν την πραγματική δύναμη .Άθλια διεφθαρμενα τσιράκια .
 

Επισκέπτης
Διάβασε στα ελληνικά το ΜΟΝΑΡΧΙΑ
του Κωνσταντίνου Πλεύρη.
 

Επισκέπτης
Eίναι το πλέον κατάλληλο νήμα για να αναρτήσει ο απόλυτος τις φωτό του λεβέντη πρώην βασιλιά της Ελλάδας. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
 
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Ποια "Δημοκρατία " ? Ψευτο-δημοκρατια υπάρχει στις "δημοκρατικές " χωρες .

Ανεπίσημη φεουδαρχία ειναι ,που οι φεουδάρχες ειναι μια κάστα από άτομα που έχουν μεγάλη κοινωνική δύναμη , όπως ιδιοκτήτες ΜΜΕ , εργοστασιάρχες και γενικά
πλουτοκράτες ,"αρχηγοί " της επικρατούσας θρησκείας , κτλ .

Οι πολιτικοί είναι αχυράνθρωποι αυτών που έχουν την πραγματική δύναμη .Άθλια διεφθαρμενα τσιράκια .
Πρώτα από όλα Jimminy δεν είναι ανάγκη να απολογείσαι, απλά πρόσεχε λίγο πριν κρίνεις  ;) .
Δεύτερον περί φεουδαρχίας, αυτή καταργήθηκε επίσημα από όλη την Ευρώπη με την κατάργησή της στο νησάκι του Σαρκ στη μάγχη υποτελές της Αγγλία.
Αυτό το οποίο έχουμε είναι η άχρηστη και πλεονάζουσα τάξη των πολιτικών, και ο φεουδάρχης άμα είναι μαλάκας θα ψοφήσει της πείνας αντιθέτως αυτοί μπορεί να είναι ότι θέλουνε και δεν θα ψοφήσουν από την πείνα. Γιατί ο φεουδάρχης μαζεύει τα έσοδα του από τα παραγόμενα και από τα νοίκια(δεν υπήρχει φορολογία, η φορολογία βγήκε από την απόλυτη μοναρχία για να καταστραφεί η τάξη των φεουδαρχών , αυτό το γεγονός οδήγησε στην Γαλλική επανάσταση γιατί χτύπησε όσους είχαν περιουσία, δηλαδή και την αναπτυσόμενη μεσσαία τάξη της εποχής) Βασικά μπορείς να παρομοιάσεις την Φεουδαρχία ως μία μίξη δημοκρατίας(οι μεγαλύτερες ομάδες αποφάσιζαν για αντιπρόσωπο(χωριά κυρίως) για να μεταφέρει στον άρχοντα ανάγκες και προβλήματα), ολιγαρχίας(Γαιοκτήμονες που νοίκιαζαν γη από τον άρχοντα είχανε ένα αντιπρόσωπο ως ομάδες) και μοναρχίας(ο άρχοντας φυσικά) με επικεφαλή πάνω από όλους τον γαιοκτήμονα-άρχοντα. Γενικά η έννοια έχει δαιμονοποιηθεί από την Δημοκρατία όπως και κάθε άλλη μη δημοκρατική έννοια για να σε πείσει η δημοκρατία ότι είναι το καλύτερο και ανώτερο πολίτευμα.
λόγια για το σύστημα του σαρκ

Sark was considered the last feudal state in Europe. Together with the other Channel Islands, it is the last remnant of the former Duchy of Normandy still belonging to the Crown. Sark belongs to the Crown in its own right and has an independent relationship with the Crown through the Lieutenant Governor in Guernsey.[16] Formally, the Seigneur holds it as a fief from the Crown, reenfeoffing the landowners on the island with their respective parcels. The political consequences of this construction were abolished in recent years, particularly in the reform of the legislative body, Chief Pleas, which took place in 2008.

Although geographically located within the Bailiwick of Guernsey, Sark is fiscally entirely separate from it and has been granted its own UN country code (680) to assist in identifying this fact to the world at large. Together with the islands of Alderney and Guernsey, Sark from time to time approves Bailiwick of Guernsey legislation, which, subject to the approval of all three legislatures, applies in the entire Bailiwick. Legislation cannot be made which applies on Sark without the approval of the Chief Pleas, although recently Chief Pleas has been delegating a number of Ordinance making powers to the States of Guernsey. Such powers are, however, in each case subject to dis-application, or repeal, by the Chief Pleas. By long standing custom, Sark's criminal law has been made by the States of Guernsey, and this custom was put on a statutory basis in Section 4 of the Reform (Sark) Law, 2008, by which Sark delegates criminal law making power to the States of Guernsey.
[edit] Seigneur
Main article: List of Seigneurs of Sark

John Michael Beaumont is the current and twenty-second Seigneur of Sark, inheriting the position in 1974.

The Seigneur of Sark was, prior to the constitutional reforms of 2008, the head of the feudal government of the Isle of Sark (in the case of a woman, the title was Dame). Many of the laws, particularly those related to inheritance and the rule of the Seigneur, had changed little since they were enacted in 1565 under Queen Elizabeth I. The Seigneur retained the sole right on the island to keep pigeons and was until 2008 the only person allowed to keep an unspayed dog. In 2008, the latter privilege was abolished (on the proposal of political opponents of the Barclay brothers) supposedly because it did not comply with the European Convention on Human Rights.[7][17]
[edit] Seneschal

On Sark the Seneschal is the head of the Chief Pleas. Since 1675, he has also been the judge of the island (between 1583 and 1675, judicial functions were exercised by 5 elected Jurats and a Juge). The Seneschal is appointed by the Seigneur. Recently the Chief Pleas decided to split the dual role of the Seneshal following the decision of the English Court of Appeal.[18] The complete list of all the Seneschal of Sark from 1675[19] is as follows:

   Pierre Gibault (15/7/1675-1680)
   Thomas de Beauvoir (1680–1683)
   Phillipe Dumeresq (1683–1702)
   Jean Payne (1702–1707)
   Philippe de Carteret (1707–1744)
   Henri de Carteret (1744–1752)
   Phillipe le Masurier (1752–1777)
   Henri le Masurier (1777–1785)
   Amice le Couteur (1785–1808)
   Jean le Couteur (1808–1812)
   Jean Falle (1812–1830)
   Elie le Masurier (1830–1841)
   Philippe Guille (1841–1851)
   Thomas Godfray (1851–1876)
   William de Carteret (1876–1881)
   Abraham Baker (1881–1891)
   Thomas Godfray (1891–1920)
   Kenneth Campbell (1920–1922)
   Ashby Taylor (1922–1925)
   Frederick de Carteret (1925–1937)
   William Carré (1937–1945)
   William Baker (1945–1969)
   Bernard Jones (1969–1979)
   Hilary Carré (1979–1985)
   Lawrence Philip de Carteret (1985–2000)
   Reginald J. Guille (2000–present)

[edit] Tenants
The Seigneurie 49°26.4′N 2°21.7′W / 49.44°N 2.3617°W

Pursuant to the royal letters patent, the Seigneur was to keep the island inhabited by at least 40 armed men. Therefore, from his lands, 39 parcels, each sufficient for one family, were subdivided and granted to settlers, the Tenants. Later, some of these parcels were dismembered, and parts of the Seigneurial land were sold, creating more parcels.

Originally each head of a parcel-holding family had the right to vote in Chief Pleas, but in 1604 this right was restricted to the 39 original tenements required by the Letters Patent, the so-called Quarantaine Tenements (quarantaine: French for a group of forty). The newer parcels mostly did not have the obligation to bear arms. In 1611 the dismemberment of tenements was forbidden, but the order was not immediately followed.

In Sark, the word tenant is used (and often pronounced as in French) in the sense of feudal landholder rather than the common English meaning of lessee. Originally, the word referred to any landowner, but today it is mostly used for a holder of one of the Quarantaine Tenements.
[edit] Chief Pleas

Chief Pleas (French: Chefs Plaids; Sercquiais: Cheurs Pliaids) is the parliament of Sark. Until this decade, it consisted of the tenants, and 12 deputies of the people as the only representation of the majority, an office introduced in 1922. The Seigneur and the Seneschal (who presides) are also members of Chief Pleas. The Prévôt, the Greffier, and the Treasurer also attend but are not members; the Treasurer may address Chief Pleas on matters of taxation and finance.

The executive officers on the island are:

   The Seneschal (President of Chief Pleas and Chief Judge) and the Deputy Seneschal
   The Prevôt (Sheriff of the Court and of Chief Pleas) and the Deputy Prevôt
   The Greffier (Clerk) and the Deputy Greffier
   The Treasurer (Finances)
   The Constable (the senior policeman and administration) and the Vingtenier (the junior policeman)

Seneschal, Prevôt, Greffier and Treasurer are chosen by the Seigneur; Constable and Vingtenier are elected by Chief Pleas.

Since 2000, Chief Pleas has been working on its own reform, responding to internal and international pressures. On 8 March 2006 by a vote of 25–15 Chief Pleas voted for a new legislature of the Seigneur, the Seneschal, 14 elected landowners and 14 elected non-landowners.[20] But it was made plain that this option was not on the table. Offered two options for reform involving an elected legislature, one fully elected, one with a number of seats reserved for elected Tenants, 56% of the inhabitants expressed a preference in a totally elected legislature.[21] Following the poll, Chief Pleas voted on 4 October 2006 to replace the 12 Deputies and 40 Tenants in Chief Pleas by 28 Conseillers elected by universal adult suffrage.[22] This decision was suspended in January 2007 when it was pointed out to Chief Pleas that the 56% versus 44% majority achieved in the opinion poll did not achieve the 60% majority required for the constitutional change. The decision was replaced by the proposal that Chief Pleas should consist of 16 Tenants and 12 Conseillers both elected by universal adult suffrage from 2008–2012 and that a binding referendum should then decide whether this composition should be kept or replaced by 28 Conseillers.[23] This proposal was rejected by the Privy Council and the 28 Conseiller option was reinstated in February 2008 and accepted by Privy Council in April 2008.[24]

In 2003, Chief Pleas voted to vary the longstanding ban on divorce in the island by extending to the Royal Court of Guernsey power to grant divorces.[25]

Bailiwick of Guernsey Laws and United Kingdom Acts of Parliament can (the latter as also in the case of all the other Channel Islands) be extended to Sark with the consent of Chief Pleas. In practice, Sark does not make its own criminal laws; the responsibility for making criminal law is formally delegated to the States of Guernsey by Section 4(3) of The Reform (Sark) Law, 2008.

The list of current Officers of the Island of Sark:

   Seneschal – Lieutenant Colonel Reginald John Guille
       Deputy Seneschal – Jeremy La Trobe-Bateman
   Prevôt – Alfred William John Adams
       Deputy Prevôt – Kevin Neil Adams (son of Alfred William John Adams)
   Greffier – Trevor John Hamon
       Deputy Greffier – John Hamon (father of Trevor John Hamon)
   Treasurer – Mrs Wendy Kiernan
   Constable – Matt Joyner
   Vingtenier – Joanne Godwin

 

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Φιλαράκο Νικόστρατε ,μηπως αλλα διαβαζεις και άλλα καταλαβαινεις ?

Αυτό που συμβαίνει σήμερα ειναι μια ανεπίσημη "φεουδαρχία " .

Οχι επίσημη .

Οι πολιτικοί είναι τσιρακια των "φεουδαρχών " .

Υπάρχουν και άρθρα γι'αυτό ,αλλα δεν χρειάζεται καν να τα διαβάσει κανεις , βλέπει κάθε μερα τι συμβαίνει.New Feudalism ειναι η φραση κλειδί .
 
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Φιλαράκο Νικόστρατε ,μηπως αλλα διαβαζεις και άλλα καταλαβαινεις ?

Αυτό που συμβαίνει σήμερα ειναι μια ανεπίσημη "φεουδαρχία " .

Οχι επίσημη .

Οι πολιτικοί είναι τσιρακια των "φεουδαρχών " .

Υπάρχουν και άρθρα γι'αυτό ,αλλα δεν χρειάζεται καν να τα διαβάσει κανεις , βλέπει κάθε μερα τι συμβαίνει.New Feudalism ειναι η φραση κλειδί .
Καταλαβαίνω τι εννοείς αλλά αν είχαμε φεουδαρχία θα είμασταν σε καλύτερη μοίρα, γιατί αν είχαμε οι πολιτκοί μας τώρα που περνάμε δύσκολα θα πέρναγαν και αυτοί θα γινόντουσαν έκπτωτοι και θα ψόφαγαν στο δρόμο, τα άρθρα χρησιμοποιούν αυτή τη λέξη για να περιγράψουν την κληρονομικότητα και την πολιτική τάξη, οι λέξεις τον 20ο αιώνα έχουνε πηδηχθεί. Έχω μελετήσει προσωπικά τι σημαίνει φεουδαρχία και πίοστεψέ με είναι βλασφημεία να συγκρίνεται αυτό το ΄χαλι με την φεουδαρχία άμα θέλεις ψάξτο όχι από έλληνα όχι από εφημερίδα και όχι από τηλεόραση. Θυμώνω με αυτούς που βρίζουν με τα ψέματά τους τους ανθρώπους εξαιτίας των οποίων υπάρχει πολιτισμός μετά την πτώση της Ρώμης. άμα θες ψάξ'το αν δεν θες όχι πιο έυκολα θα βρεις από την ιστορία της αγγλίας την πραγματική φεουδαρχία.
 

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Καταλαβαίνω τι εννοείς αλλά αν είχαμε φεουδαρχία θα είμασταν σε καλύτερη μοίρα, γιατί αν είχαμε οι πολιτκοί μας τώρα που περνάμε δύσκολα θα πέρναγαν και αυτοί θα γινόντουσαν έκπτωτοι και θα ψόφαγαν στο δρόμο, τα άρθρα χρησιμοποιούν αυτή τη λέξη για να περιγράψουν την κληρονομικότητα και την πολιτική τάξη, οι λέξεις τον 20ο αιώνα έχουνε πηδηχθεί. Έχω μελετήσει προσωπικά τι σημαίνει φεουδαρχία και πίοστεψέ με είναι βλασφημεία να συγκρίνεται αυτό το ΄χαλι με την φεουδαρχία άμα θέλεις ψάξτο όχι από έλληνα όχι από εφημερίδα και όχι από τηλεόραση. Θυμώνω με αυτούς που βρίζουν με τα ψέματά τους τους ανθρώπους εξαιτίας των οποίων υπάρχει πολιτισμός μετά την πτώση της Ρώμης. άμα θες ψάξ'το αν δεν θες όχι πιο έυκολα θα βρεις από την ιστορία της αγγλίας την πραγματική φεουδαρχία.

Το θεμα ειναι οτι οι πολιτικοί ειναι τσιρακια των "φεουδαρχών ".

Ενω όπως σωστα είπες οι φεουδάρχες ειχαν ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΗ ΔΥΝΑΜΗ .

Οι σημερινοί πολιτικοί ΔΕΝ εχουν ΔΥΝΑΜΗ ,αφου την πραγματική δύναμη εχουν οι ανεπισημοι "φεουδαρχες " δλδ οι πλουτοκρατες ,οι ιδιοκτητες ΜΜΕ ,οι Μεγαλομαφιόζοι κτλ .



 

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