Χρεοκοπεί η Ελλάδα ή η ...ΕΕ

[CLOSER822]

Το είδα και εγώ. Πάντως η Συρία διέψευσε προς το παρόν την είδηση ως εκτός πραγματικότητας. 

OΠΩΣ ΕΧΕΙ ΔΙΑΨΕΥΣΕΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΟΤΙ ΔΟΛΟΦΟΝΕΙ ΑΜΑΧΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΑΙΔΙΑ...γιεα σουρ!

 

[streetwalker]

 

[chacarita]

Τύπωμα χωρίς όρους ή...

όλη η υφήλιος το φωνάζει πλέον,αλλά η κυρία έχει κερί στ'αυτιά.

 

[Wonderful]

όλη η υφήλιος το φωνάζει πλέον,αλλά η κυρία έχει κερί στ'αυτιά.

έχει βουλώσει όλες τις τρύπες

 

[Ψωριάρης]

Σήμερα το πρωί με πήραν από την (τράπεζα) Κύπρου τηλέφωνο. Έχω μεταξύ των άλλων αγοράσει ένα μετατρέψιμο ομόλογο που είχαν εκδώσει προ 2-3 ετών, αν θυμάμαι καλά, για να αντλήσουν κεφάλαια και να εξαγοράσουν κάποια ρωσική τράπεζα. Το ποσό τοποθέτησης είναι μικρό, και η απόδοση είναι περίπου 500 ευρώ το εξάμηνο. Ε λοιπόν, με ενημέρωσαν ότι δεν θα με πληρώσουν για το εξάμηνο που πέρασε, γιατί προσπαθούν να διασφαλίσουν κεφάλαια για την ανακεφαλαιοποίηση που πρέπει να γίνει.

Μπορεί να είναι μικρή η πρόσοδος , αλλά δεν παύει να προσφέρει γλυκό μπουρδέλιασμα  στη Φυλής και στα πέριξ ....

 

[streetwalker]

Η εφορία ζητά από τον Νικόλα Άσιμο να διακόψει τις εργασίες του ως ελεύθερος επαγγελματίας!

Το υπουργείο οικονομικών θυμήθηκε το Νικόλα Άσιμο, τον αυτόχειρα καλλιτέχνη και του έστειλε ειδοποίηση να τακτοποιήσει τις εκρεμμότητές του... Σύμφωνα με την εφημερίδα «Το Ποντίκι», υπάλληλοι τις εφορίας έστειλαν ειδοποιητήριο παρότι ο στιχουργός, συνθέτης και τραγουδιστής είχε αυτοκτονήσει σε ηλικία 39 ετών 17 Μαρτίου 1988. Η εφορία τoν θυμήθηκε γιατί όπως αναφέρει το ειδοποιητήριο, αν δεν έχει διακόψει τις εργασίες του ως ελεύθερος επαγγελματίας, θα θεωρηθεί ότι άσκησε τη δραστηριότητά του και για το 2011 και θα πρέπει να καταβάλει το τέλος επιτηδευματία!

http://www.newsnow.gr/article/13408...ergasies-tou-os-eleftheros-epaggelmatias.html

Μά'στα.

 

[Lastmoican]

ετσι ετσι.Εμεις πια στην ελλαδα διαλεξαμε στρατοπεδο (γερμανια) και αναμενομεν νεωτερα απο το μετωπο...σημερα Ισπανια αυριο Ιταλια.....

δεν είναι ίδιο το πρόβλημά τους
την Κύπρο να λες καλύτερα

άσε που άμα σκάσει η Ελλάδα σας είπα ... είναι άμεσο το αποτέλεσμα για Βουλγαρία και Ρουμανία

 

[Lastmoican]

Και μια ενδεικτική πληροφορία.

Σήμερα το πρωί με πήραν από την (τράπεζα) Κύπρου τηλέφωνο. Έχω μεταξύ των άλλων αγοράσει ένα μετατρέψιμο ομόλογο που είχαν εκδώσει προ 2-3 ετών, αν θυμάμαι καλά, για να αντλήσουν κεφάλαια και να εξαγοράσουν κάποια ρωσική τράπεζα. Το ποσό τοποθέτησης είναι μικρό, και η απόδοση είναι περίπου 500 ευρώ το εξάμηνο. Ε λοιπόν, με ενημέρωσαν ότι δεν θα με πληρώσουν για το εξάμηνο που πέρασε, γιατί προσπαθούν να διασφαλίσουν κεφάλαια για την ανακεφαλαιοποίηση που πρέπει να γίνει.

Καληνύχτα και καλή τύχη ευρωζώνη.

εμ... οι επενδύσεις έχουεν και χασούρες...
αλλά άτσα μαγκιά κλανιά η τράπεζα... δεν σου δίνω μάγκα, χώνεψέ το..
χαχαχα
η Κύπρου μόλις έχασε ένα πελάτη ... εγώ τα παίρνω αύριο τα χρήματά μου από εκεί

 

[ICCAROS]

http://www.imerisia.gr/article.asp?catid=26516&subid=2&pubid=112884162

 

[streetwalker]

εμ... οι επενδύσεις έχουεν και χασούρες...
αλλά άτσα μαγκιά κλανιά η τράπεζα... δεν σου δίνω μάγκα, χώνεψέ το..
χαχαχα
η Κύπρου μόλις έχασε ένα πελάτη ... εγώ τα παίρνω αύριο τα χρήματά μου από εκεί

http://www.ase.gr/content/gr/announcements/Files/20120615ConvertibleCapitalSecuritiesGR.pdf

 

[Wonderful]

Από πολιτισμένο ντου των καταλανών συνταξιούχων στο γερμανικό προξενείο

 

[Hirayama]

[size=20pt]Greece as Victim
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: June 17, 2012
[/size]


[size=16pt]Ever since Greece hit the skids, we’ve heard a lot about what’s wrong with everything Greek. Some of the accusations are true, some are false — but all of them are beside the point. Yes, there are big failings in Greece’s economy, its politics and no doubt its society. But those failings aren’t what caused the crisis that is tearing Greece apart, and threatens to spread across Europe.
[/size]





No, the origins of this disaster lie farther north, in Brussels, Frankfurt and Berlin, where officials created a deeply — perhaps fatally — flawed monetary system, then compounded the problems of that system by substituting moralizing for analysis. And the solution to the crisis, if there is one, will have to come from the same places.

So, about those Greek failings: Greece does indeed have a lot of corruption and a lot of tax evasion, and the Greek government has had a habit of living beyond its means. Beyond that, Greek labor productivity is low by European standards — about 25 percent below the European Union average. It’s worth noting, however, that labor productivity in, say, Mississippi is similarly low by American standards — and by about the same margin.

On the other hand, many things you hear about Greece just aren’t true. The Greeks aren’t lazy — on the contrary, they work longer hours than almost anyone else in Europe, and much longer hours than the Germans in particular. Nor does Greece have a runaway welfare state, as conservatives like to claim; social expenditure as a percentage of G.D.P., the standard measure of the size of the welfare state, is substantially lower in Greece than in, say, Sweden or Germany, countries that have so far weathered the European crisis pretty well.

So how did Greece get into so much trouble? Blame the euro.

Fifteen years ago Greece was no paradise, but it wasn’t in crisis either. Unemployment was high but not catastrophic, and the nation more or less paid its way on world markets, earning enough from exports, tourism, shipping and other sources to more or less pay for its imports.

Then Greece joined the euro, and a terrible thing happened: people started believing that it was a safe place to invest. Foreign money poured into Greece, some but not all of it financing government deficits; the economy boomed; inflation rose; and Greece became increasingly uncompetitive. To be sure, the Greeks squandered much if not most of the money that came flooding in, but then so did everyone else who got caught up in the euro bubble.

And then the bubble burst, at which point the fundamental flaws in the whole euro system became all too apparent.

Ask yourself, why does the dollar area — also known as the United States of America — more or less work, without the kind of severe regional crises now afflicting Europe? The answer is that we have a strong central government, and the activities of this government in effect provide automatic bailouts to states that get in trouble.

Consider, for example, what would be happening to Florida right now, in the aftermath of its huge housing bubble, if the state had to come up with the money for Social Security and Medicare out of its own suddenly reduced revenues. Luckily for Florida, Washington rather than Tallahassee is picking up the tab, which means that Florida is in effect receiving a bailout on a scale no European nation could dream of.

Or consider an older example, the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s, which was largely a Texas affair. Taxpayers ended up paying a huge sum to clean up the mess — but the vast majority of those taxpayers were in states other than Texas. Again, the state received an automatic bailout on a scale inconceivable in modern Europe.

So Greece, although not without sin, is mainly in trouble thanks to the arrogance of European officials, mostly from richer countries, who convinced themselves that they could make a single currency work without a single government. And these same officials have made the situation even worse by insisting, in the teeth of the evidence, that all the currency’s troubles were caused by irresponsible behavior on the part of those Southern Europeans, and that everything would work out if only people were willing to suffer some more.

Which brings us to Sunday’s Greek election, which ended up settling nothing. The governing coalition may have managed to stay in power, although even that’s not clear (the junior partner in the coalition is threatening to defect). But the Greeks can’t solve this crisis anyway.

[size=16pt]The only way the euro might — might — be saved is if the Germans and the European Central Bank realize that they’re the ones who need to change their behavior, spending more and, yes, accepting higher inflation. If not — well, Greece will basically go down in history as the victim of other people’s hubris.[/size]

 

[tramountana]

αντιληπτόν...

 

[Lucent51]

[size=20pt]Greece as Victim
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: June 17, 2012
[/size]


[size=16pt]Ever since Greece hit the skids, we’ve heard a lot about what’s wrong with everything Greek. Some of the accusations are true, some are false — but all of them are beside the point. Yes, there are big failings in Greece’s economy, its politics and no doubt its society. But those failings aren’t what caused the crisis that is tearing Greece apart, and threatens to spread across Europe.
[/size]





No, the origins of this disaster lie farther north, in Brussels, Frankfurt and Berlin, where officials created a deeply — perhaps fatally — flawed monetary system, then compounded the problems of that system by substituting moralizing for analysis. And the solution to the crisis, if there is one, will have to come from the same places.

So, about those Greek failings: Greece does indeed have a lot of corruption and a lot of tax evasion, and the Greek government has had a habit of living beyond its means. Beyond that, Greek labor productivity is low by European standards — about 25 percent below the European Union average. It’s worth noting, however, that labor productivity in, say, Mississippi is similarly low by American standards — and by about the same margin.

On the other hand, many things you hear about Greece just aren’t true. The Greeks aren’t lazy — on the contrary, they work longer hours than almost anyone else in Europe, and much longer hours than the Germans in particular. Nor does Greece have a runaway welfare state, as conservatives like to claim; social expenditure as a percentage of G.D.P., the standard measure of the size of the welfare state, is substantially lower in Greece than in, say, Sweden or Germany, countries that have so far weathered the European crisis pretty well.

So how did Greece get into so much trouble? Blame the euro.

Fifteen years ago Greece was no paradise, but it wasn’t in crisis either. Unemployment was high but not catastrophic, and the nation more or less paid its way on world markets, earning enough from exports, tourism, shipping and other sources to more or less pay for its imports.

Then Greece joined the euro, and a terrible thing happened: people started believing that it was a safe place to invest. Foreign money poured into Greece, some but not all of it financing government deficits; the economy boomed; inflation rose; and Greece became increasingly uncompetitive. To be sure, the Greeks squandered much if not most of the money that came flooding in, but then so did everyone else who got caught up in the euro bubble.

And then the bubble burst, at which point the fundamental flaws in the whole euro system became all too apparent.

Ask yourself, why does the dollar area — also known as the United States of America — more or less work, without the kind of severe regional crises now afflicting Europe? The answer is that we have a strong central government, and the activities of this government in effect provide automatic bailouts to states that get in trouble.

Consider, for example, what would be happening to Florida right now, in the aftermath of its huge housing bubble, if the state had to come up with the money for Social Security and Medicare out of its own suddenly reduced revenues. Luckily for Florida, Washington rather than Tallahassee is picking up the tab, which means that Florida is in effect receiving a bailout on a scale no European nation could dream of.

Or consider an older example, the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s, which was largely a Texas affair. Taxpayers ended up paying a huge sum to clean up the mess — but the vast majority of those taxpayers were in states other than Texas. Again, the state received an automatic bailout on a scale inconceivable in modern Europe.

So Greece, although not without sin, is mainly in trouble thanks to the arrogance of European officials, mostly from richer countries, who convinced themselves that they could make a single currency work without a single government. And these same officials have made the situation even worse by insisting, in the teeth of the evidence, that all the currency’s troubles were caused by irresponsible behavior on the part of those Southern Europeans, and that everything would work out if only people were willing to suffer some more.

Which brings us to Sunday’s Greek election, which ended up settling nothing. The governing coalition may have managed to stay in power, although even that’s not clear (the junior partner in the coalition is threatening to defect). But the Greeks can’t solve this crisis anyway.

[size=16pt]The only way the euro might — might — be saved is if the Germans and the European Central Bank realize that they’re the ones who need to change their behavior, spending more and, yes, accepting higher inflation. If not — well, Greece will basically go down in history as the victim of other people’s hubris.[/size]

Αν ηταν τοσο απλα.................. :-

 

[jhonny64]

Αίτημα για διάσωση των τραπεζών της Ισπανίας κατέθεσε ο υπουργός Οικονομικών στο Eurogroup

Εντός της ημέρας αναμένεται προσφυγή της χώρας στον Ευρωπαϊκό Μηχανισμό Στήριξης

http://www.tovima.gr/finance/article/?aid=463958

προδοτης και ο δεξιος ραχοι ;

απαπαπαπαπαπα

 

[Minkler]

2013 Egrafe i TIMES

 

[jhonny64]

Σε ετοιμότητα η Κύπρος για τον μηχανισμό στήριξης

Στενεύουν τα περιθώρια για την ανακεφαλαιοποίηση των τραπεζών

http://www.tovima.gr/finance/article/?aid=463975

περσονα ετοιμασου για σαλιγκαρια στον πενταδακτυλο

 

[foufoutos_30]

θα παιχτει μεγαλο παιχνιδι με κυπρο

ο ρωσος ηρθε για να μεινει εκει

 

[jhonny64]

ο περσονα παντως ετσι η αλλιως τον πενταδακτυλο θα τον φαει 

 

[streetwalker]

Βρε λες;

Σύμφωνα με τους αναλυτές του οίκου, τα προβλήματα χρέους δεν είναι προνόμιο μόνο της Ελλάδας. Πρόκειται για πρόβλημα συστημικού μεγέθους πλέον, αν αναλογιστεί κανείς πως η αναλογία χρέους προς ΑΕΠ στη Γερμανία αγγίζει το διόλου ευκαταφρόνητο... 75%. Ακόμη πιο δυσμενής είναι η θέση της Γαλλίας, όπου η αναλογία χρέους προς ΑΕΠ ξεπερνά το 80% (84%).

Μάλιστα οι αναλυτές του οίκου επικαλούνται παλαιότερη δήλωση του Axel Weber (όταν εκείνος ήταν επικεφαλής της Bundesbank, προτού αντικατασταθεί από τον Jens Weidmann), σύμφωνα με την οποία το πραγματικό χρέος της Γερμανίας ανέρχεται στο 200% του ΑΕΠ, λόγω των αυτοχρηματοδοτούμενων υποχρεώσεων (unfunded liabilities) του Βερολίνου (!)

http://www.euro2day.gr/ase/market_comment/151/articles/709231/ArticleMarketComment.aspx